k_rmSelf_vs_xpSelf
Conventional wisdom: Many observe that _personal_health_ and one’s _family_ are the top 2 factors to personal wellbeing [11], mostly from the rmSelf’s perspective.
[11] wellbeing = happiness(xpself), satisfaction/fulfilment (rmSelf), short and long term wellbeing, life chances,,,
If your family life is relatively uneventful, without any “collective_suffering” (of multiple members), then your xpSelf probably won’t feel the importance of family. Within the family context, the most widespread collective_suffering is loss of harmony. Some conflict is healthy and possibly necessary for family bonding, but excessive conflicts create pain and suffering throughout the family. Collective_suffering seems to be the reason why folks agree that family is one of the biggest determinants of wellbeing.
I think the conventional wisdom takes the viewpoint of a person living WITH [2] a family. “Family” mostly refers to 1)kids 2) spouse 3) parents.
- I would say parents are no longer important to your wellbeing after you leave home, like 18. Many individuals have fulfilling lives without (parents alive, or) parental interactions .. Consider Genn. Consider many friends of mine who lost a parent at a young age. Consider the adults who grew up in a broken family (sometimes worse than no parents).
- The bond between spouses is loose in 49% of the couples around us. Unlike the other “family bonds”, this one is consensual [by choice] and can be dissolved consensually. Some percentage of married individuals learn to adapt and reduce dependency (of personal wellbeing) on this loose bond. So the real world observations reveal that for close to half the adults, this factor is not as critical as personal wellness is.
- The most powerful of the 3 “bonds” is with your kids. The more kids you live with, the more attention they demand, therefore they become a bigger factor[11].
- .. jolt: However, in the real world, many successful [11] individuals have no kids, or don’t live with some of those kids (re-married, divorced, separated, imprisoned). There are many (realistic) stories where a parent is separated from a biological child for years and then reunites. The parent-child bond then took years of rebuilding. By default, the parent doesn’t feel a strong bond to the lost-n-found child. This observation reveals that for a sizeable percentage of adults, the kids factor is not as critical as personal wellness is.
jolt: As a bachelor, I (evaluative rmSelf) didn’t envy my friends having kids. I only envied those with a sexually attractive spouse (Now I have mine 😉 because the sexual need I felt was not conditional on a prior experience living with someone for years and building the bond. See [19]feel`lucky+satisfied as bachelor,now again as married man
jolt: on many days, our hedonimeter would reveal that we derive more satisfaction from friendship, professional engagement, or solitude, rather than family life. Such an observation is often shallow, shortsighted, and transient, but so is the xpSelf and the hedonimeter by definition.
[2] Many get used to living away with loved ones… Re my U.S. experiences.
In conclusion, xpSelf doesn’t really suffer from the absence of kids or spouse. For some individuals, even the rmSelf would agree with the xpSelf.
— loss .. Suppose your personal wellbeing is modelled as a bank deposit account. The relative weight of an “asset” is revealed when you lose this “asset”, be it wellness or family.
If you lose part of your health vs part of your wellness, which loss is easier to cope with? Losing a body part is a long-term disability, comparable to disability in the family. In contrast, death in the family might be simpler.
If you lose entire family vs entire wellness (very rare), which loss is easier to cope with? Chris Reeve’s experience suggests that wellness disasters are much harder.
— The case of my maternal grandpa …. He lived with two wives in one home (initially two homes). Did the wives suffer in terms of experienced wellbeing? I doubt it. Did the children (including my mom and my aunts/uncles) experience anything related to so-called “broken-family”? Probably not, because such a set-up was common at the time. In fact, the set-up reflected the wealth of the family, and wealth does provide wellbeing during childhood (up to early adulthood). The net “measurable” loss of wellbeing[xpSelf and rmSelf] was probably zero, compared to the measurable impact of illness, poor sanitation, or incomplete education.
Q: did my mom have a bonding with her dad? Remember my maternal grandpa had 6 daughters and 3 sons, from two wives. I guess the bonding was not as deep as my daughter feels. However, my mom [rmSelf] had a good childhood, and didn’t feel unloved by her dad. My mom spoke of him always in loving words. I have reason to believe my grandpa was a loving father.
This one case study, in my family tree, is a powerful evidence that “family” is not such a huge factor on par with wellness. I would say the same about rmSelf or the xpSelf.
— out of sight, out of mind.. Imagine that you have lived alone (or in a second marriage) and have not seen your kids and spouse for 10Y. You don’t know their health or financial pains, so to your “family” isn’t a huge factor on par with health.
Some men have multiple wives and long-term mistresses, and many kids in different cities. Such a father can’t really have a real relationship with his kids (or his multiple partners) who don’t live with him. Such relationships require time and physical presence. I think he may find fulfilling companionship in one or a few individuals, but his sexual partners may not be among them.
— modification .. of the conventional wisdom. “Family [kids, marriage] is a top 2 factor[11] iFF you live with your loved ones, with collective_suffering. The size of that live-in family determines the weight of this factor. “
As a consequence, to many individuals , family is a much smaller factor, ranked below pff, job satisfaction or friendship.