[11] dining stick-out and interview xp #s.Liu

(A personal blog. no need to reply)

Even when I was dating, or lunching with a job interviewer, or dining with a client alone (2004-2005) I probably exhibited those “stick-out” behaviors, even though i was often careful, even nervous.

To please and impress the interviewer, I feel it is more important to hide my nervousness, and act like an open (not pretentious), pleasant conservationist.  It’s embarrassing if I can’t carry a conversation over lunch. I feel it’s possible that the interviewer (or clients) felt i was eccentric, stubborn, insensitive, inconsiderate.

I didn’t tell you that my body language and communication style (with all of those stick-out eccentricities) seemed to be a selling point during job interviews, both in US and Singapore. Some interviewers felt “not a good fit” but many liked my tech and personality. Some said they “connected” with me. Some said they liked my truthfulness.

Self-presentation during job interview is an art and a science. Practice does make perfect. I had my eccentricities, but i also had a fairly large number of interviews as real-life practice sessions. I know i’m a bit of an eccentric, but recall few interviewers having problem with that. I never felt empathy was a problem.

I met many mildly “unusual” people — my sister, my mom, Tao Yi Yang, Zhang Lei, Li Yong Jin, Xue Jing… They have better perceptiveness and empathy and don’t get kicked out by managers. My mom would argue with restaurant waiters over less-than-perfect dishes on 50% of those days we dine out with guests.

Taking a step back, the 2 most important times to impress my manager
1) the day of job interview
2) the years after getting hired

I have known for years that I fare better in 1) than 2). My eccentricities and empathy issues show up slowly.

In 2007 I woke up one day and realized my java interviews were failing 95% of the time, so I had to change to survive. In contrast, my empathy is not such a show-stopper during interviews and was not show-stopper during work, so I didn’t feel the urgency. After GS and Citi, i have to improve my empathy with manager (and colleagues and users).

thanks for the tibco documentations #LS

(No need to reply me…)

My friends told me it's not easy to find tibco documentation. I feel lucky and grateful about those docs you generously gave me.

Your “empathy” advice is really simple and memorable – it's a simple word I remember almost everyday now. I guess i tend to tense up when I try to focus on “empathy”. In other words, it's stressful and tiring to focus on empathy, a bit like watching my own breathing/pitch while talking to people. What i end up doing is — remind myself about empathy from time to time. It helps.

Also, i feel my father isn't empathetic and he's a big influence. I might not have the very best upbringing in terms of empathy training, but that's not meant to unload responsibility (there's no 100% flawless parent in this world) and not a statement of fatalism. I do need to (constantly) look for role models around me – i can think of a few right away.

Talk to you again — i do enjoy writing long diary-style emails to far-away friends, but feel no pressure to read or reply please. I hope you see i'm flexible on this part:)

Wish you and family great health in the new year.

[09]u asked about goals + y I stayed]U.S. so long#Zhurong

I don’t “say it loud and clear” because every year i have multiple changing goals, often spelt out in my blog or emails to friends. By the way, job satisfaction and enjoyment isn’t high on my priorities and not part of any serious goal. In comparison, long term career security is a bigger concern to me.
Why didn’t I return to SG? I  can give at least 10 reasons. Simple reasons include
* higher pay
* S’pore is a sturdy but tiny boat in the ocean. Fragile.

* i need internationally well-known companies on my resume. There are fewer in SG

* Chinese workplace culture and office politics is murky, complicated, dangerous… I fare better in non-Chinse companies.

* i felt GS was perhaps a more suitable place for me than most companies, given my “goal”.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Rong Zhu wrote:

俗话说,道(goal)不同不相与谋(strategy)。
Speaking of “strategic plan”, what’s your goal? strategy is only meanful when a goal is set, right? I don’t remember I ever heard you say it loud and clear, although it’s probably the most important thing that is pertinent. In other words, why haven’t you returned to sigpo when there seems so many troubles and inconveniences with life in US?

letter to s.liu …how lucky you are

(to be published on my blog)

I feel you and many others have those options (going back to China after 10+ years in US). You are lucky with your impressive track record, your immigration status, academic credentials, management/business skills…

I think many people wish they are in your shoes. People (born in the late 60’s and 70’s) in China, Singapore, Taiwan, south-east Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe.. Many of them have similar talents, but their background is not so strong, so they spend many youthful years in “lackluster jobs” (low “value-add”). When they reach their 30’s, they lack a strong professional/educational track-record. Most will not find it easy to rise above from there.

See how lucky you are, career-wise.

By the way, in my sociology classes i was completely “sold” on the concept of life-chances (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_chances). These German thinkers coin such powerful yet simple terms. They have the power lense of observation to see these patterns in society.

You have the life chance that many equally talented individuals do not.

reminders (SMS) about GS work pressure

Hi XR,

(A blog post. You need not reply.)

I think you and other friends said i should remind myself over and over:

* My wife and I both like Singapore. I am confident about finding a job in Singapore. Singapore is my family’s safety net so I don’t need to worry.
* I said I would be proud to survive US for 12 months. I said I would be proud to have our baby in US. My wife and I did it by ourselves. I said I would be proud to survive GS for 12 months. We outlived all the challenges.
* The longer i stay in this company, the stronger the track record.
* Don’t have to resign. I can work at a reasonable pace till they let me go, with a severance package.
* Strong developers were let go from my department. I know about 10 individuals and each is capable, some very strong.

Re: glad to reconnect #Raja

I still have your number. That’s how i ended up calling you at the wee hours one Sep day in 2007, while you were on your Thailand business trip — a fruitful trip?
 
I guess you have stayed with big blue for many years. Boredom? duldrums? i guess the learning keeps your heart young. I’m esp. impressed to read you have role models or peers to learn from. I think that’s a wholesome but not an easy attitude to maintain. I think some people have positive qualities in some ways, perhaps a role model, but with such a role model we may feel there’s not enough chemistry, so in our heart that resonance is not felt as much as we feel with other individuals. In other words, a role model from a different world. Such a relationship takes an open heart, tolerance, color-blindness, honesty (but some diplomacy too?) to embrace.
 
I realized long ago i tend to open up far more with certain individuals than other individuals (Christians, egg heads, book worms, shy people..). It’s almost an unexplained preference. Among the people i bump into on a daily basis, some people i never had a chat with…
 
It’s possible to observe and spot colleagues who seem to know a wide range of different personalities. Perhaps these colleagues should be my role models too. Actually my mentor gave me this suggestion a few times — know a wide range of people in the department, but i had too many fires to fight — somehow no spare capacity for networking.
—– Original Message —–
From: Raja SP
To: Bin TAN (Victor) 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: glad to reconnect

Hi Bin,
 
So thrilled to get this email from you. Congrats on your fatherhood. Very glad for you. Its a boy or a girl?  My family is fine. Daughter is 8 years now.
Job in big blue is still exciting. There are things to learn and people to learn from always. Please let me know if you are visiting Singapore. Hope you have my numbers, but just in case, +65-93855014.
Take care,
Raja
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Bin TAN (Victor)  <tiger40490@gmail.com> wrote:

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Date: 3/29/2009

Subject: glad to reconnect

Hi Raja,

How’s your daughter? I became a father in 2008.

I’m interested to know about your job in big blue. When I eventually return to Singapore i may apply to be a junior consultant under you:)

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big cities more expensive @@ #S.Liu

This 2007 email demonstrates our very low burn rate (as a couple) and how it shaped my perceptions.

— original 2007 email:

Hi LS,

Thanks for your suggestion. My own experience is the opposite. Big cities are cheaper for us.

Many friends told me rent are vastly different among locations, but other costs are uniform throughout US. But I think everything is cheaper in big cities. (“Everything” because big cities are home to the poorest people who can only afford the cheapest. Poor Chinese, poor Hispanic poor local white people.) Consider

  • no car insurance, no car tax, no car repair, no parking, no fines, no gas. Subway is below $100/person
  • cheaper rent, iFF we choose room-sharing, something unavailable in the suburbs.
  • cheaper cooking
  • cheaper fruits/veggie if u find a Chinatown
  • cheaper household shopping
  • … nothing, i can think of nothing, more expensive than in suburb

Biggest cost is rent. We lived for months in NY suburb (East Orange) and in urban Boston. The lowest rent was found right beside NY subway stations, albeit often in small and old houses.

Other than food, everyday shopping is cheaper when u find some discount stores — lower than Walmart prices. They are found in big cities and in some but not all suburbs.

— Now a response to LS’s reply

I like your “changeable” analysis. For now I’m a short term planner.

I also agree with the “familiarity premium” distortion we are all susceptible to.

I’m not trying to be 100% rational, which would perhaps entail the obligation of “due diligence” to consider CA, San Francisco, FL (better weather for her).. too many choices. Right now I enjoy the simplicity of my choices — between urban NY and Boston.

My thinking is deliberately short-term. We are planning to go back to SG in X years. No home-buyer. No green card. Living Cost consideration is something I try to put aside and make way for key considerations like medical cost, java track record, big company track record, availability of promising jobs, …

In my matrix analysis, living cost is not a consideration at all.

In Feb, Mar and Apr, my up-to-then experience convinced me we needed a car. Our recent experience dispelled everything we heard about the necessity of cars. In NY, I met The first American I know who didn’t own a car. Now living and working in Boston, i meet more people without a car. I’m actually rational on this.

Sorry no comments on the “2-3 times” cost comparison with SG. Such comparisons require due diligence to be worthwhile. What I can say now — our transport is cheaper, our food is cheaper. Excluding housing, price level is perhaps 1.5-2 times SG level, converted to USD. I’m rational on this.

Considering housing, medical, travel … We both obviously feel a lot poorer now than in SG, even though our household income is roughly unchanged, converted to USD.

[07] adjustments: living as a couple in U.S.#le2sis

Hi Gen,

Thanks for your insights, your questions, your summary of the whole situation … Below is my blog on the adjustments my wife and I are making.

– slow down the plan to find a course for her. Used to be our #1 plan. The research takes considerable time, which we don’t have.

– back to office on Saturdays

– working 10 hours a day Mon-Fri
– put aside our pregnancy plan
– slow down the pace of learning english together. I can no longer help her everyday.
– going out with her? reduced.

Each adjustment can help us cope better, but each adjustment can also add considerable stress towards a breaking point, where “the camel’s back” is finally broken by the last straw.

[07]see the truth about the Woodbridge people+U.S.job mkt

Hi Florence,

I just read some Buddhist booklet about “wisdom”, wisdom that help us see the true nature of people and things. I think you are
pretty fast at identifying the motivation and system of that place. Be sure not to exaggerate the negative side. Put blame only
where it is deserved. I guess some individuals there may not be that thick skin blank heart.

I also read the Buddha’s teaching on Letting Go and Attachment. I recently realized that my wife and I may not be suitable for this
country, so I had to go through a hard time letting go of my American dream and put SG back on top as our long term base.

Not sure about Tester’s job market. It’s also possible that somehow the perm positions aren’t so plenty and the employers prefer green
cards. I have no info on that segment, but if that possibility is true, then we will need to let go of our dream. If we don’t like
our employer then we just go back to our home country. The sooner we see the truth and let go, the less our pain of attachment.

Another of Buddha’s teaching is impermanence. Your pain in the heart won’t last forever. pretty soon i think there’ll be a
resolution.

By the way i’m by no means a good husband, only a husband who wants to be good. good intention, good effort, good ideals, good
heart. Buddhists tend to see everything in the world as result of cause of effect. So perhaps I’ll become a good enough husband due
to my *sustained* effort.

Victor,  March 2007