exclub: wealthy Chn investors@Jill !!superior #MAPIC

 


I met with Dr Soo for a short while, with Jill’s introduction. He described his China clients speaking of investing “至少一个亿 (RMB)”. I felt diminished and disqualified by the exclub (exclusive club).

  • doubt: talking vs investing… Many people talk about $X but when it comes to payment date, only invests $0.05X. I’m one of these “cautious investors”.
  • jolt: an even higher exclub… these same people would feel belittled when they meet a tycoon 10 times richer. Why do we have to feel belittled in the first place?
  • jolt: carefree ezlife .. How many of these people have a carefree easy life like mine at my age?
  • UChicago .. on a minor note, how many of these guys have a reputable degree as a personal achievement?

Q: But why the hell do I care about a f**king $100M when I have enough to spend for my lifetime, as MMM would say?
A: I think this is really exclub for the sake of exclub

Some similar experience:

  • At MAPIC, how did I feel when I heard about the multiple properties those guys own? I guess most of them are leveraged.
  • How did I feel when year ago I heard stock investors talking about the multiple stocks they own?
  • How did I feel about MD job titles my previos peers have earned? Perhaps double my salary, but also lots of stress and job insecurity.
  • How did I feel when decades ago I came across a graduate of an ivy league?

Now I have some insider info, my envy and FOLB (for these exclubs) is undergoing “release and unwind”.

— more important than the exclub of high net worth .. is the exclub of healthy longevity, i.e. the “club” of individuals who get to live a long healthy life.
Q: Who do you envy more? Which exclub do you choose if you can choose only one?

I never thought about these two choices. How obvious is it now !

— more important than the exclub of high net worth .. is the exclub of harmonious family.
Many of those wealthy China clients probably don’t have that. With their fame, riches, power and influence, they suffer.

Now I recall the Church gatherings. Rich families and modest families mingle, but I can’t tell the difference.

 

impact: universityBrand>FCH> EE-DL>bookPrize #selfEsteem

There are other ROI to my “UChicago investment”, but today I will focus on 2) personal branding and 1) self-esteem as a goodStudent/outstandingStudent/.

For years during and after NUS, my self-esteem was tied to EE-DL (Department of E.Engin Dean’s list) and then to FCH (first-class honors degree). However, in hind sight,

  • how about my Engineering faculty book prize? Probably one student per year in the EE department. More unique.
  • UChicago branding has more impact on my self-esteem (and personal branding) than EE-DL + FCH combined. The GPA or class of honors don’t matter in the broad strokes
  • FCH has more impact than EE-DL in the broad strokes

[22]##UChicago: ROI ] hindsight

This blogpost was first published in 2015.

Among all the subjects, I was more serious about 1) stoch and 2) op pricing [ and perhaps 3)trading strategy]. I focused on the fundamental concepts… but no positive feedback loop, and not integrated into my work. Eric Zhu said he attended many many interviews. I think that helped him connect the dots.

Without any tangible ROI or positive feedback, sometime in 2013-2016 I started to scale back my “investment”. My time was better spent helping my kids, learning c++, cloud, javascript, …

Paradoxically, one of the top 3 reasons for taking up this program was “make use of spare capacity” — over 3 years, if I stand still my peers would probably achieve something and get ahead… FOLB.

So did I achieve something beside the paper qualification? I’d say yes, largely due to my effort put in. See the list below.

Another setback is low retention, lower than c++. I thought my focus on the fundamentals would help me go thin->thick->thin, but alas…. I wasn’t able to remember much on many topics. My learning capacity was much lower than expected, relative to the intellectual challenges.

— in hind sight 2018
金融数学职位太少而且要求比我能力高, 薪水不一定比程序员高多少, 也没有 Contract 可言. 没法发挥我(和 CSDoctor)  coding 方面的特长和经验. 所以说 2013 年选择这个硕士课程, 实情了解得不够. 上了船才知道。

— 2021 revisit of the top ROI. [G3=among top 3 ROI]

NYU^CMU^.. quant program: which brand would I prefer

Eric Zhu was the first to point out that Even though NYU program is probably more rigorous, the UChicago brand is stronger, more recognizable. I guess Singapore NTU program is possibly on par or tougher than UChicago, but those details are lost in the broad strokes. Look at the brand value !

Q: assuming the same t$cost, how would you choose between two quant degrees from UChicago vs CMU[Carnagie Mellon]?
%% A: UChicago.
A: CMU program would likely lose its pole position in 5 (or 20) years.
%%A: The older I get, the more I would value the long-term UChicago brand value. In reality, I’m not using the degree to further my career. Therefore, long-term brand value becomes the #1 ROI.

Note CMU is ranked 32nd nationally in math, probably way behind UChicago.

3Y^5Y undergrad: any difference@@ #Nigel.Chan

Q: TsingHua engineering Bachelor’s degree took some of my peers 5 years. I felt proud for them as the 5Y degree was a badge of honor. However, If you look at the difference made by the extra year, are these graduates stronger or just delayed by a year?

A: I would say delayed, not necessarily stronger. That extra year can get you a reputable Master’s degree from reputable universities such as my alma mater UChicago. My other alma mater NUS engineering also awards Bachelor’s + Master’s together in 4.5 years. These universities have comparable academic reputation to TsingHua, often higher!

Q: NUS Comp science Bachelors can graduate in 3 years. If you look at the difference due to the one year omission, are these graduates weaker or they saved time and money graduating faster?
A: I feel faster. Many students (me included) actually learn better on the job, so after 3Y in school + 5Y on the job, they could be more knowledgeable than a 4Y+4Y classmate.

When a TshingHua graduate and a NUS 3Y comp science graduate both go to the same company for coding interview, I would say the extra years don’t matter as much as the coding drill.

I hope my kids feel the sense of urgency and don’t waste time on some paper qualification.

— 3Y phD.. Nigel Chan, my Macq colleague, completed a PhD in 3Y, from reputable U of Sydney. What a bargain he got.
— Masters duration .. China masters take 2-3Y, but a branded masters from U.S. or U.K. can be 1Y+. To a critical observer, I think the China degree is not so worthwhile 含金量不高.

9M master’s from UChicago.. Many of my UChicago classmates graduated in 9M. Are they weaker than those who spent 2Y in a comparable master’s ? Not at all. In fact, like UChicago, Stanford Master’s can be completed in 9 months without research thesis..

UChicago, Stanford, MIT all have a 3-semester year. Each semesters has heavy (graded) assignments, (mid-term and) final exams. In contrast, British system (in SG and HK) has only 2 semesters a year and two exams. Therefore, UChicago has higher intensity than NUS. I guess it favored students like me, as I am slightly less consistent in my exam performance compared to other students.

delayed→earned higher-value degree: TsingHua^NUS #UChicago

See blogpost on Kun.H, LS and other students delayed by a year.

At age 17 to 19, I felt so bad about my delay in HwaChong. Now in my 40’s, looking back I earned a degree from NUS, better-known than all the Chinese universities “they” attended.

Fundamental to this outcome is the spectacular rise (in the league table) of NUS among Asia universities.

— how about the one more year in the 5Y degree from TshingHua? Clearly it was 1Y delay, so the students graduate 1Y later but why I never had any inferiority projected-onto these classmates?

Aha .. becasue TshingHua was desirable to most of my peers in China. I simply subscribed to that preference from the mass market.

Analogy — most Singaporeans seem to prefer Singapore condos, despite the low current income. To me,  rental yield is the #1 factor, so I should NOT subscribe to the mainstream preference.

Analogy — most Chinese flat buyers prefer higher floor

Q: compare this 1Y delay in TsingHua vs my 1Y delay in HwaChong -> NUS?
A: the Chinese would think the TsingHua deal is better, because the Chinese buy that brand! On the job market outside China, I guess NUS has higher position, higher market value. English alone is a priceless advantage.
A: more importantly, NUS helped me and wife’s SG citizenship, which is worth 100 times more than a TshingHua degree.

Q: compare this 1Y delay in TsingHua vs my journey from HwaChong to UChicago?
A: in terms of branding, TshingHua is no match for UChicago. Just look at Nobel Prizes.

— TsingHua vs India Institute of Technology
( These colleges are vastly different, but it doesn’t stop people from comparing them.) They have very high standing in their respective domestic markets, but on the international competitive landscape, they are not that competitive.

— why focus so much on branding rather than quality?
Quality is too hard to compare between two colleges.

— https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/failed-a-levels-academic-journey-singapore-673911 — The author (Raffles JC grad) spent 2 years in JC, then 2 or 3 years in poly, then 3 or 4 years in university. Lots of delays, but not necessarily a disaster, IFF the person handles it well. He probably graduated from university in his late 20s or early 30s. In the U.S. I was told many people go to college in their 30s, after they figure out what they want to learn.

UChicago: priorities, costs, Projected ROI

  1. Benefit: zbs, practical insights, critical judgment of questionable comments
  2. Benefit: jargon and math. At least follow the common conversations and read the literature
  3. Benefit: job interviews. At least understand the questions!
  4. Benefit: env to get through the difficult math that I couldn’t teach myself
  5. [15]UChicago: ROI+ROTI ] hindsight has the bigger items.
My energy is really really limited. Some benefits I must forgo.
  • Priority: grades. In the short term, the grades tend to preoccupy, which is short-sighted. I feel grade and expectation thereof can create undue stress.
  • priority: zbs, solid understanding. Ask all the questions. Outside this course, you have no one to ask, and your understanding will be limited.
  • priority: do the homework by myself, so I can discuss with staff?
    • start early to avoid stress
  • Priority: finish early, but won’t have bandwidth to absorb? LG LG LG

— 2017 Review of the motivations and j4 Uchicago

https://btv-open.dreamhosters.com/2013/12/18/j4-uchicago-short-clear-memorable-answers-for-interviews/ is probably deleted already.

— 330 Option —
A lot of homework (or past exam) topics sound like only important to the grade

Some Ito problems in HW and past exams will be beyond me. Diminishing return. I’d rather focus on BS GBM, BS formula, BS PDE etc where Scope is limited.

— Fixed Income Derivative —
Bond math (without stoch) is more precise, more practical less academic, without those crazy assumptions.

[20]G5 WinnBets :long-term impact@ livelihood[def2]

k_X_power_descriptor  k_tectonic

See also

Distinct from those above, this blogpost focuses on big personal “bets” — the big decisions we make throughout our career, with profound long-term impacts esp. on family livelihood. (Singapore government used to make technology bets). A few of my winning bets discussed here relate to ffree, carefree,,

Granted none of these wins is eternal, but they stand out from smaller wins. This Group of bets had a /disproportionate/ contribution to my precious carefree life (in the current phase), and my family long-term security in livelihood [1].

Note the risk of oth. This risk would be acceptable if this list is kept below 5.

Note the pff big bets are now moved to 20-punch card .

  • — the biggest winning bets. The more specific the better
  • chose ZLH as wife — 勤俭, 不苛求, 本分. This bet is beyond ranking and should not be ranked.
  • #1 citizenship — chose SG citizenship for all family members, giving up China citizenship
    • bought enhanced medishields + elderShield early, before the offerings became less attractive.
  • #2 U.S. — chose to enter U.S. and WallSt, even though rather late in the game. I chose U.S. as my 2nd “frontline”, rather than HK/China, Canada, Australia, UK. Switching to WStC + real-time Trading tech in 2010.
  • #3a WStC — chose to remain in Wall St contract path for longevity, rather than the traditional VP career path
  • #3b coreJava — more robust (longevity) than c++, jxee, web dev,, Better marketDepth. Plays to my advantage of theoretical, low-level QQ.
    • in 2006 I bet on java .. branching out from Unix/DBA , perl, LAMP, web java -> coreJava4trading
  • #4 in 1999 (decisively) branching out early to dotcom SWE, leaving the engineering sector, then to Unix admin (non-coding). SWE earn more than semiconductor engineers.
  • — other winning bets
  • in 2010 chose to resign from GS, ignoring deMunk’s departure
  • 2017 re-entering U.S. .. leaving the comfort zone, choosing Jay.Hu and getting priority date done
  • MLP job .. was a tactical choice, but it turned out to be a big winning bet (in terms of work-life balance etc)
  • Chose to give my kids a Chinese language education, saving a bundle compared to the Chinese American families.
  • chose to buy overseas properties with current yield
  • NUS — chose NUS, a growing brand
  • UChicago — I chose to invest hugely into my UChicago credential and gained a lifelong prestige , but “livelihood” impact is limited to the CV.
    • To a lesser extent, my NUS credential also appreciated in value over the decades since I “bought”.
  • chose market data domain + bond math domain — almost evergreen domains
  • English — in 1992 (and even after A-levels) I chose to embrace English as a lifelong skill despite insurmountable challenges

— [1] livelihood – 生计

In this context, “livelihood/生计” means … Survival, making ends meet, including those common disasters like job loss (including involuntary retirement ) or medical bills, but there are many derailers too big to protect. See t_ffreeLimitation.

##1Y-delay(!!repeat) in SG public school #w1r4

If despite our best efforts we need to quit U.S. and return to attend SG schools, we don’t have to see it as losing a million dollars. We can consider an international school, or get boy to join a JC as an older student.

  • [g] eg: LSagain first spent 5 years in TsingHua, then had to work a year in sales after TshingHua (1997) before going to the U.S., was delayed again at UKentucky for a year before transfer to Purdue, graduating in 2001, four (4) years later. He told me he started working only in 2001. He was delayed 3 times.
  • [g] eg: Remember HJC classmate Meng Xiong!
  • [g] eg: I also had many NUS classmates a few years older than the majority. Some did well.
  • [g] eg: my sis was delayed by a year+ when transferring from RongCheng to Dongzongbu. Is there any negative/hazardous effect? No but at that time I saw it as a stigma
  • [g] eg: some (bright) college students take a year off and delay graduation by a year. They often learn something.
  • [g] eg: Kun.H was delayed by 1.5 year, exactly like me. He just started Senior middle school in China when he transferred to RI Sec 3.
  • [g] eg: I too was delayed for 1.5 years but excelled in HJC against my younger classmates. I accepted it very grudgingly. My parents were unashamed and unapologetic!
    • Jolt: Even though I graduated 2 years later than my Shiyan classmates, I achieved financial freedom decades earlier than them, the vast majority of them. In fact, I’m probably the first to achieve ffree.
  • So in my family, both my sister and I went through a big delay and we both turned out fine.
  • eg: An RTS support manager, a white American, told me a sizable percentage Americans choose to earn a degree in their 30’s. This route is similar to the very common “returning” Master’s student who have worked for a few years to gain some firsthand experience of the working world.
  • In my MSFM, about 30% of the students were experienced. I think these “older” students often come in with higher motivation, rather than forced to study as my son is now.
  • [g] Some China students join a U.S. school as an older student so they don’t get bullied, and more mature against bad influences.

— [g=graduating 1 or more years older]

The stigma on delayed students was a modern China phenomenon. There is some kind of perception (superstition) that if a kid is hitting some academic standard at some age, then the younger she is the stronger is her age-adjusted score and academic potential.

Fundamentally, not every student is suitable for a nonstop flight secondary->preU->undergrad->Master’s

Jolt: Many top students didn’t care about graduting 1Y older. Some may graduate from with a prestigious degree as I did, others graduate from lesser-known colleges.

— some scenarios for my son:

  • If I lose this nice job then emigration would be the default route.
  • If boy does poorly in secondary school he would not attend poly or JC but serve NS first (I could then work in U.S. alone).
  • If he finds motivation before 16, then we can choose either to emigrate or complete JC.

##[20] Stealth overtaking{1998

k_tectonic … k_hongkong

See also

Trigger 1 — SG^HK .. this blogpost is triggered by the SG^HK tale of two cities. Keyword is “overtaking”, where the content is nothing new. So I don’t want to spend too much time.
Trigger 2 — immersion .. sitting in the library for another immersion, I recalled my post-NUS self-improvement years.

eg: Hong Kong, Switzerland, and Scandinavian countries used to be the envy of Singapore government and Singaporeans. From the turn of the century to 2020, Singapore quietly overtook Hong Kong and Scandinavian countries in GDP. Singapore overtook Switzerland in PPP-adjusted GDP. I feel Singapore has become stronger, smarter, more competitive on many fronts, due to decades of steadfast focus on the fundamentals (内力).
eg: NUS and NTU overtook many competitors .
eg: Millennium Capital — gradually and quietly overtook many competitors. I think it’s because of consistency

Over the same period, I feel I also overtook many of my (unnamed) peers in my cohort, not only those in financial or IT domains.

  1. — The heavy-hitter list, focused on “overtaking”
  2. wellness — 5 workouts a week; satisfactory intimacy.. see BGC:pull`ahead @the pack: personal (!!leadership) effectiveness
  3. career longevity .. dev-till70 in the harbor of WSC .. See passport2 WSC_harbor@the SWE continent
  4. cash flow high ground in terms of brbr, FullerWealth, debt, bare-bones ffree, nonwork income
    • retirement planning (a global concern across rich countries including SG and welfare states). I have adequate planning with medical cost “Cushions”, CPF-life, low-maintenance HDB rental yield.
  5. prestigious credentials in UChicago, Wall St, NYSE, hedge fund

Now some obvious, familiar or minor advantages I have created

  • beautiful kids
  • U.S. and SG “dual homes”
  • carefree since 2018
  • UChicago .. insider advantage

Those are the things we want. There are also things we don’t want . It’s so easy to forget that I am free of the unwanted “things” below that each afflict a portion of the population in my cohort:

  • no bulging belly — rather rare
  • no chronic condition (except borderline cholesterol) — sleep; toothache; neck pain; hypertension;
  • no marriage instability
  • no major sexual difficulties yet

— my effort, choices,,,, or dump luck? See post on locus@control
— mellow?
— detach?
— how do I pass on my success to my kids?
— with some exceptions, virtually all of these “overtaking” successes stem from personal effectiveness, rather than inter-personal effectiveness
exception: marriage required a lot of team work
exception: I could do my professional job reasonably well in 10+ teams.
— Q: Are there some areas where some peers overtook me in stealth?

  • personal investments in US stocks or property (A.Lin)
  • brank? Not my game.
  • ^^ I feel none of these examples are worthwhile. Nothing to learn.
  • More diversified investment portfolio
  • more healthy lifestyle.
  • more patience with parenting

— Raffles Place reflection .. at raffles place I see lots of young, well-dressed (mostly financial) professionals in their 20s and 30s.
I feel many are spoilt kids. But I think others come from poorer backgrounds perhaps in 3rd-world countries. Many are ambitious and hungry in the rat race. In contrast, when I was their age I was on the sideline, as a manufacturing engineer and later blue-collar programmer. I had excellent burn rate control (unaware), competitive on theoretical domains (unaware) but stuck in the less lucrative domains.

  • life chances .. The higher income has indeed provided more life chances to finance chaps, to me and my kids.
  • adaptation .. I have gone a long way in my adaptation for and within my fin-IT domain. I have figured out how to survive the competition and churn, how to gain an unfair advantage…
  • 4def .. At that earlier age, I was mostly driven by successC, but now I have reached a well-off carefree ezlife, and have shifted focus to successE anad successZ
  • deathbed .. successE beats successC
  • stealth overtake .. I caught up with the finance professionals in my cohort. I guess, without evidence, that for majority of them, their domains and roles are no more lucrative than Fin-IT. Even the traders and fund managers.

—  library immersion .. From my early 20s till early 30’s, probably after NUS, I often felt inferior to some in my cohort — techno-preneurs, the OC-effective young managers, the young MBAs, CFAs, the finance professionals on the street of Raffles Place, sales/trading professionals in rEstate or Prudential,,,, In SG, the blue-collar engineer has a low status compared to in the U.S. I felt like an ugly duckling, esp. in the dating game. None of the role models in the media or in the community was a blue-collar programmer.

In NUS (more so in China universities), library immersion is a long tradition, but after we leave the campus, how many and who would keep the habit? Remember Alina.Zhao .. In the national library, I would read tech books all day long, and those young men don’t need to read that much. They would read business or magazines, even newspapers. Some of them read about rEstate or stocks, as they have an early start on personal finance. I could only watch on the sideline. (Now I am ahead of my cohort on personal finance.)

I think my 5-10 years of self-study in the library was slowly charging my batteries, or building my infrastructure like China did, or building the system like SG did.

Since then, technology industry, esp. software dev profession has grown more important, more valuable in the national economies not only of the U.S. but notably in China. U.S. tech profession offers excellent market depth, better than many of those professions listed earlier, esp. the sales profession.

* I underestimated the $value of my QQ capacity, absorbency, continuous/inquisitive/integrative learning,,, the qualities of the growing swan. These qualities were once associated with the ugly duckling.
* I overestimated tech churn, out-sourcing. (I didn’t underestimate the younger competitors.)
* I overestimated the $value of their professional qualifications, experience and people skills.

Q: When did I quietly overtake the bulk of “them” in terms of pff + career longevity prospect? (Clearly, some are still ahead but at my age I don’t strive to close the gap.)
A: perhaps during q3sg

Library immersion provides a defining example of FOLB. In my 2021 assessment I still follow the same rat-race criteria, the same midlife timetable . In this blogpost, I have not mellowed up or grown wiser.

During NUS years, one valuable harbor was the fast-food restaurants in shopping malls such as Ginza plaza. I used to stay until mall closing time. For many years after NUS, my #1 favorite harbor was the library. I also used fast-food restaurants and MRT trains. I always brought study material + other reading materials.

Nowadays I worry less about opening hours because I could sit in bus interchange with A/C + free wifi. I fee lucky to have the library, the free wifi in various locations, the laptop, git-blogg infrastructure. Adaptation (see the blogpost) and resilience. Nowadays I mostly use therapeutic blogging to recover, restore, calm down, regain focus.

Maybe I should start using more study materials for zqbx, for burn. Get on the offensive?