[16]boy2become serious about SOMEthing rather than loaf`all day

At 8, he likes loafing. He does do his homework on his own, read some English fictions. When asked he does practice a bit of piano. He does enjoy running and play with his friends downstairs. But what I hate to see is him loafing — TV, phone games, lying on sofa…

(Watching stuff on computer is slight better as it requires a bit of intelligence.)

Q: he seems to need a lot of guidance and control. What if I get sick or pass away early?

Q: At what age do I need to get him to be serious about some self-improvement. Consider burning/rotting.
A: Trevor Tang said 11 or 12.

–Investing?

–game programming (including debugging)?

–various sports
But can he practice that without parents? Yes for badminton

praise Yixin despite inefficiency(bj2016)

During the 2016 Beijing trip, every morning we would demand boy finish his homework before we go out. He would drag his feet and do his homework with so much reluctance —
* If he could write 10 chars/minute, now it becomes 1 char/minute.
* Even with an adult supervising, he would reach 25% of his top productivity

Q: At this time, could we find an opportunity to praise him?
A: yes we can. Look for small improvements in attitude.

As a prerequisite, we have no choice but accept the inefficiency as status quo.

I think this is quite a tricky moment. It’s more than mere discipline. More like a wrestling match between parent and child. Be careful what you say to the child.

I know from experience that my son responds well to immediate, tangible rewards, and (to a lesser extent) praises by someone other than parents or grandparents. But I also know his “opamp” is “吃硬不吃软”. I tend to make the mistake of getting angry and threatening to use punishment. Instead, we could try * being strict
* state the consequences and deliver, such as “if you don’t finish by a certain time, then it will be too late to go out”.

I feel my son doesn’t react well to punishments. Warning (like the piano teacher Alex Chung) is somewhat better.

immediate incentive^long term tgt/reward

The context:

  1. boy is yet to show a major sign of maturity — the self-management required to work towards a long-term goal.
  2. However, immediate incentive DOES work for him, such as outing, hotel booking …
  3. Boy has agreed on a few daily practice routines. Each lasting a few week. Completed:) though not as effective and not as easy as the immediate incentives.

For boy’s personality at his age, I feel the “motivation” concept is possibly oversold, as he shows limited/no sign of long term goals turning into action. Instead, Incentive is probably the correct name. At this stage, the regime we follow is target+control. Within it, the rewards are actually incentives.

Incentive is immediate; motivation is deeper and more internal.

There are a few real motivations we are working on
* wide range of interests
* ownership
* longer term, bigger rewards

Some long-term goals for adults
* a long term goal to hit a target body weight or flexibility (see an example target below)
* marathon or another fitness goal
* a part time certificate training course
* a long term goal to learn a musical instrument
* a long term goal to improve on coding interviews
* get into a better job
* immigration
* publish articles or a book

For my son, one of the long term goals is Chinese handwriting. I see he’s not yet able to set a target and make gradual and consistent progress towards it. Putting myself in his shoes, I can only *speculate* that such a target is perhaps too high and not perceived as achievable, so he’s perhaps not motivated to take any action.

Another Example — I set him a target to read aloud any 400-word Chinese piece with or without pinyin. There’s a big reward but it would take a few weeks of practice. He did absolutely nothing about it. Why? Grandpa felt this is normal for his age.

Similarly, I have the same sentiment about yoga. I have a deep rooted self-perception that I’m too tight and it would take 10+ years  to hit a target like chest touching thigh. As a result I was completely /immobilized/. I found various excuses and refused to take any action whenever people suggested yoga. An unconscious self-protection against further disappointment. It took real courage to sign up and follow the yoga practice.

Sugg (See #3): find something easily achievable (tiptoe?) and ask him to do it by himself without prompting for a week. Attach a big reward.

 

what age – take on 升学 pressure (soft personality)

Update: is my son taking on too much academic pressure in terms of heavy homework, piano and renzi? Actually, the piano and renzi pressure is nothing compared to the exam pressure.


Eg: With my flexibility, I put in some effort but avoided the problem most of my life. Will I some day take on the challenge and set myself a target and work towards it? That’s what I call “ownership“.

Eg: my Chinese compo. Until sec 2, compo was just too tough and too boring.

These are self-motivation. In this post, by “pressure” I mean externally imposed not self-driven. There’s a subtle difference but I think can be crucial. My experience – when the pressure changes from external to internal, i feel slightly more in-control.

I think at secondary school age, many (but not most) kids can take on high academic pressure. In the west, I am not even sure if the kids are subject to this level of academic pressure, but they would take on other pressures.

In primary schools, kids lack the critical judgment, the rational thinking, and protective self-talk.  I GUESS at this age, there are more incidents of mental collapse.

My son has a soft personality. On one hand, he is reluctant to study, not motivated or ambitious, not determined to achieve higher academic standard. On the flip side, he would protest but won’t fiercely resist parent pressure. It’s important for parents of soft kids to moderate the pressure imposed. I can recall the Piano incident and the Spelling incident, both in his P2 (early half year) grade. I feel his personality is more vulnerable to harmful pressure.

I feel the harsh punishment I gave him is probably the worst parenting experience. The experiment was unsuccessful and therefore harmful and dangerous.

remind kids of past rewards

Suppose your company pays quarterly bonus in the form of silver coins (or wines, or handbags…?).

If you have a lot of the same coins, you will not remember which coins are the company bonus, unless you record the amount of coins you receive each time.

My son get lots of rewards from trivial to big ones. If I want him to get the motivation, I need to remind him “that vacation was a reward for your effort in ..”. Otherwise naturally  he is likely to assume those “good” things are unrelated to his good or bad actions. The cause/effect is not obvious to us until we are in our teens.

BIG reward for big achievement

Target should be meaningful n significant, not piece of cake
Target should be not too hard. He won’t be motivated. Hard but achievable.
I don’t prefer school test targets. Mom would reward him for those anyways.
Ideally, achievement is measurable by himself, without parents’ judging.

Might build his confidence that “I-can do it.”

Target – 3 blog posts 10 sentence each
Target – spelling 100% correct
Target – making 10 sentences in Chinese

Rewards – tough. I can’t afford the time cost. May need to consider something slightly unhealthy (like ice cream…)…
* MRT trip to somewhere far
* train trip to Malaysia
* hotel stay one night like Downtown East (tcost)
* 2 movies on one weekend
* fancy restaurant (Salad bar)

##Develop kids’ interests in many domains # Jun.Z

Interests in some activities are immediately and measurably high value (like academic subjects or programming or design skills). I was interested in writing and history/geography; my colleague Siddesh was interested in math and would often rank very high in school… But if a kid isn’t interested in any academic subject that’s not really a “problem” per se.

Many serious interests take a while to develop. The initial curiosity disappears when the kid experiences limited progress, resistance and frustration.

Many interests require a lot of help from parents, meaning a lot of commitment in terms of time and/or money. The time cost is as important as the financial cost. If we foresee the cost will be too high for us, we had better think twice before we start.

#2) (top3) Interests in sports could help him/her develop active lifestyle in later life, and teamwork.
* basketball
* pingpong? must go out — time consuming. Not popular in the US.
* badminton? Parents can’t help and boy is likely to lose interest after 2 sessions.

#3? (top3) [HM] interest in creative programming including spreadsheets
#4? (top5) [HM] Interests in writing? Daddy’s favorite

[H] Reading is the “biggest” hobby. I strongly believe in it. Reading doesn’t directly help composition exams. I know many well-read colleagues who become intellectually curious and knowledgeable beyond the finance and IT fields.

Interests in martial arts? confidence
[H] Interests in music and drawing – beneficial to well being
interest in electronic music making
[HM] Interests in math? Daddy’s favorite
[H] interest in math or logical puzzles? tested in interviews
Interests in IQ toys? Not tested in exams but relevant in job interviews.
[H] Interests in computers and gadgets? Can be addictive
[HM] Interests in science, history, geography?
Interests in board games? Chess is more popular in the US…

[H = no need to go out. Home is good place.]
[M = measurable value. Could become a career.]

All of the above help improve concentration, self-discipline, grit, attention to details … through repeated practice.

enjoyable/enriching endeavors(EEE) – positive feedback loop

The Changi beach cycling experience is one of the enjoyable
experiences for both boy and daddy (not sure about others). Key part of the joy is the effort we all put in. The effort makes us feel stronger, increases our stamina, strengthens our resilience.

Nothing worthwhile is ever done without effort. Any effort by boy is good training for the long struggle ahead in his life, as each child needs to get used to putting in serious, consistent effort. Such effort is one meaning of “building character” in a kid. I hope there are other enjoyable family activities to build character and increase skill or knowledge but at a reasonable cost in terms of … time.

(Any activity to help with his fine motor skill? paper folding?)

– blogging with daddy?  real experience, actual content, a bit of effort. No need to go out somewhere, so time-saving.
– hard-pen calligraphy (like Congcong’s)? helps fine motor
– drawing? Mom can be a teacher
– lego? So far our boy is not serious about this. All the creative elements are absent.
(The plastic  block toy I bought for him is similar — no effort made by boy)
– basketball with daddy — I can do a bit of running when he takes a break.
– Story cube with daddy – might help creative writing but not now?
– Speech and drama? I don’t see any real learning. Perhaps he is not ready.
– Wushu  or Taekwondo? not sure if he would learn anything beyond the superficial. Unlike Congcong, i  feel our boy is not serious and not willing to put in real effort.
– Pingpong? something boy has tried 4 times. He already showed a drop in his interest, as he shows in every endeavor. Yet he is still open to it. I feel the real experience will be the family experience, not the Community club.
– badminton? no teacher at home. He is likely to give up

Look at the endeavors he has given up (most kids are like him):
– drawing
– jump-rope
– lego
– remote control cars
– phonics
– story cube
– football
– basketball
– pingpong

All the recreations that keep him interested forever require no effort:
* TV
* mobile phone
* toy train
* taking MRT
* hotel

So far, there are very few hobbies Dabao has put in consistent effort:
+ piano
+ Swimming?  Lorong Chuan is much better than Toa Payoh, because with the teacher’s discipline boy puts in serious effort. In contrast, at Toa Payoh without teacher, he only plays, and doesn’t make any effort.

The work is always repetitive, monotonous and boring. He had to stick to it with determination until he could enjoy it a little bit. This joy and intrinsic satisfaction is fundamentally different from the immediate gratification of television,  which leaves you empty rather than fulfilling.

These hobbies aren’t easy. They involve skill. They ask a lot from the kid and the parent, not in terms of $$$ but commitment, consistent effort, and time. At a younger age (like 4) we could pick just any hobby and let boy give it a try. At age 7, we need to make careful selections and stick to just a few hobbies (like selecting a university to apply in China), until he acquires the basic skills. He would get a proper appreciation of the hobby and decide if he enjoys it.

The old way of trying many hobbies is, ultimately, unfruitful. The child would not go beyond the first stage of learning basic skills, so the initial interest and fun cannot last more than 3 sessions. It costs real money and, more importantly, parents’ time. Today’s parents simply don’t have the time to spend aimlessly.

If we had not stuck to swimming and piano with such consistent effort, Dabao would still be trying out various new hobbies and giving up at the first serious juncture and learning nothing, with no skill at all.

A happy childhood could have some serious, consistent effort. The effort doesn’t destroy the happy childhood. The effort would give real meanings to it.

—-other criteria of a hobby of endeavor
* time cost — consider taking taxi to save time
benefits for parent — very rare. Most of the activities don’t help the parent directly. The few exceptions — swimming, basket ball. If there’s no benefit for the parent, then it’s very hard for parent to put in consistent effort. If the kid loses interest as usual, then it’s not going to last.