public ives #

Posted on by tiger40490 rendered_on [ Thu, 6 Mar 2025 ] 14:05 UTC

See also AAU: 64 U.S. top colleges

In terms of reputation, some of the public ives (mainly Berkeley) are comparable to some original ives (but not the Big Three). Fees or acceptance rate can be much better. If brand value is not that important to me, then we should favor the public ives.

— https://oirap.rutgers.edu/AAUBigTenComparisons.html ranks public ivies by various criteria

  • international rankings — QS, ARWU, THE,,,
  • national rankings — U.S.news, Forbes, WSJ,,,

— the differences as compared to the original ives

  • selectivity .. While the undergraduate enrollment (snapshot across all matriculation /batches/) at the eight Ivies averages around 8,500 students, many Public Ivies boast far bigger undergraduate classes. The University of Michigan and UCLA, for example, each enroll over 31,000 undergrads, whereas the University of Texas at Austin enrolls over 40,000 undergrads.
  • .. eg: In terms of acceptance rate, I think UChicago is much tougher than NUS, and more exclusive.
  • endowments
  • price .. While every Ivy League school charges more than $50,000 in annual tuition and fees, many of the Public Ivies cost around just $10,000 per year for in-state students.

Jolt: Academic reputation of a college is correlated to the headcount and history. A large, less exclusive university are often related to more research grants, many award winners, published experts, mass-media featured researchers. Examples:

  1. UT Austin
  2. Berkeley?
  3. UCLA?
  4. Connell?
  5. U London

— “public ives” is a rather loose term, not extremely prestigious, and usually include

  • UC Berkeley
  • UT Austin
  • UIUC
  • UCLA
  • Rutgers
  • PennState
  • StonyBrooks
  • OhioState… Larry’s both kids … Long tradition, strong fraternity,
  • UWashington…

— Larry .. has higher income than me. He really likes OhioState for both his kids. Ken (manager of the RTS client-side dev team) .. also sent his kids to a state university, citing cost as one factor.

So why would an immigrant insist on the ivy league?

Larry can afford private colleges, but I feel he didn’t see the justification for the higher cost.